Table manners
22 January 2010
If you are at a live table, it's best to keep your mouth shut. If someone sucks out on you, you say nothing. If you suck out on someone, you take the chips and say nothing. If someone starts verbally abusing you, you say nothing. If it gets out of hand, you ask the dealer to contact security. I've personally never seen it go that far in a live game. If someone wishes to engage you in polite conversation, you can respond politely. If someone says "nice hand", you say "thank you." That's really about all you need to say. Some people like to talk at the table, and that's fine. Just remember that if you're winning, even nice things you say can be taken the wrong way by someone who's stuck. Things like not splashing the pot should be obvious, but I did see one kid so excited about playing that he threw his chips, one or two bounced onto another player, and that player got visibly and audibly upset. Showing bluffs is not my style, but not against the rules. It may make people angry though.
I have been involved in bottle throwing/breaking over a discussion on what qualified as a foreigner in sexual history, and there was a fight over whether or not we should listen to Eric Clapton, but these were in home games. They often involve drinking. As far as that goes, even if you're in a home game, and you're playing with people you know, keep in mind that money is on the line, and even with small amounts of money, people start to feel enough pressure to start fights where they wouldn't normally.
In general, in live games, people tend to be much more polite, perhaps because the threat of violence sitting right next to you. Kind of like people are more likely to flip someone off if they're sitting in a car rather than on a park bench.
Most of my experience is online. I started playing for fake money in 2006. I started playing for real money in 2009. There are some differences that might be of interest for someone going from play money to real money:
1. The "zzzzzz"'s are not cool. They're never cool, in my opinion, but they are very common in play money games and much more rare in real money games. When you are playing for real money, there are times when you really need to think about how to handle a hand. Most people respect this. Some people don't. When they don't, I usually look up their stats. They're almost always newcomers, like having played less than 15 games online - that new. By doing the zzzzzz thing, you're announcing yourself as a newbie. Are you SURE that's what you want to do?
2. One player per hand. It's not cool to tell someone how to play a hand, announce what you folded, or announce what you have while a hand is in play, anytime, but when you are playing for real money, it can be considered cheating. I have yet to report anyone for doing this. But I have heard of people being reported. Their prizes were taken back, and they were kicked off the site, so I heard. I usually just say "one player per hand", and people cut it out.
The main difference you'll find online is that people can become extremely verbally abusive at the slightest provocation, or more often, because they lost a hand. This can be intimidating at first. I have to admit, I've done it myself. It's usually in response to something offensive someone has said to me, but I'm guilty of it as are many online. It's just that you feel there are no consequences. And there probably aren't. I did see one guy claim to have a friend at the site we were playing at that had access to account info and that he was going to find the guy's address, go to his house, and break his legs. He was probably bluffing, but you never really know. If you get too out of line, you may get your chat revoked. Try to keep in mind that a lot of people you will be playing with are down. Like, most of them. Most people who play poker lose money. Some of them lose a lot of money. They're already angry. Don't send them out into the real world with blinding rage. You may not suffer from their hands, but someone else might. Besides that, here are some reasons for not going off the wall with the insults:
1. You never convince the other person you are right, ever. As soon as insults get thrown in, logic goes out the window. It becomes a contest, seeing who can hurt the other the deepest. That's it.
2. It let's other people at the table know that you are pretty immature. Let's face it, you're screaming and swearing at someone you don't know because they played their hand badly and accidentally won. Do you really want to teach them how to play better? Why?
3. You get yourself on tilt. You get so mad at someone that all you can think of is taking their chips and saying something smart afterward. You stop paying attention to what OTHER PEOPLE at the table are doing, and they all start looking at you and licking their chops.
One thing I'd like to point out is that I've observed that the higher stakes I play, the less verbally abusive players are. People at the higher stakes are generally much less interesting in convincing you that they are better players and much more interested in taking your money. If you want to know how to act at a table, watch some of the bigger games. It's not always true, but more often.
I've talked mostly about behaving properly at the table out of fear of the consequences, but I'd like to add my personal belief that I love playing poker. I think it's a game that brilliantly combines skill AND luck, and the most skillful out there will learn how to outplay people when possible and be aware of the psychological impact their suckout, bluff, or well-played hand will have on the table, and use it to their advantage. It's a fun game, but it's hard. And you should respect people who have the courage to put their money and their reputations on the line by sitting at the poker table, even if you don't respect the WAY they play. Be polite while playing poker, not out of fear, but out of respect for the game and the people who have the courage to play it.
I have been involved in bottle throwing/breaking over a discussion on what qualified as a foreigner in sexual history, and there was a fight over whether or not we should listen to Eric Clapton, but these were in home games. They often involve drinking. As far as that goes, even if you're in a home game, and you're playing with people you know, keep in mind that money is on the line, and even with small amounts of money, people start to feel enough pressure to start fights where they wouldn't normally.
In general, in live games, people tend to be much more polite, perhaps because the threat of violence sitting right next to you. Kind of like people are more likely to flip someone off if they're sitting in a car rather than on a park bench.
Most of my experience is online. I started playing for fake money in 2006. I started playing for real money in 2009. There are some differences that might be of interest for someone going from play money to real money:
1. The "zzzzzz"'s are not cool. They're never cool, in my opinion, but they are very common in play money games and much more rare in real money games. When you are playing for real money, there are times when you really need to think about how to handle a hand. Most people respect this. Some people don't. When they don't, I usually look up their stats. They're almost always newcomers, like having played less than 15 games online - that new. By doing the zzzzzz thing, you're announcing yourself as a newbie. Are you SURE that's what you want to do?
2. One player per hand. It's not cool to tell someone how to play a hand, announce what you folded, or announce what you have while a hand is in play, anytime, but when you are playing for real money, it can be considered cheating. I have yet to report anyone for doing this. But I have heard of people being reported. Their prizes were taken back, and they were kicked off the site, so I heard. I usually just say "one player per hand", and people cut it out.
The main difference you'll find online is that people can become extremely verbally abusive at the slightest provocation, or more often, because they lost a hand. This can be intimidating at first. I have to admit, I've done it myself. It's usually in response to something offensive someone has said to me, but I'm guilty of it as are many online. It's just that you feel there are no consequences. And there probably aren't. I did see one guy claim to have a friend at the site we were playing at that had access to account info and that he was going to find the guy's address, go to his house, and break his legs. He was probably bluffing, but you never really know. If you get too out of line, you may get your chat revoked. Try to keep in mind that a lot of people you will be playing with are down. Like, most of them. Most people who play poker lose money. Some of them lose a lot of money. They're already angry. Don't send them out into the real world with blinding rage. You may not suffer from their hands, but someone else might. Besides that, here are some reasons for not going off the wall with the insults:
1. You never convince the other person you are right, ever. As soon as insults get thrown in, logic goes out the window. It becomes a contest, seeing who can hurt the other the deepest. That's it.
2. It let's other people at the table know that you are pretty immature. Let's face it, you're screaming and swearing at someone you don't know because they played their hand badly and accidentally won. Do you really want to teach them how to play better? Why?
3. You get yourself on tilt. You get so mad at someone that all you can think of is taking their chips and saying something smart afterward. You stop paying attention to what OTHER PEOPLE at the table are doing, and they all start looking at you and licking their chops.
One thing I'd like to point out is that I've observed that the higher stakes I play, the less verbally abusive players are. People at the higher stakes are generally much less interesting in convincing you that they are better players and much more interested in taking your money. If you want to know how to act at a table, watch some of the bigger games. It's not always true, but more often.
I've talked mostly about behaving properly at the table out of fear of the consequences, but I'd like to add my personal belief that I love playing poker. I think it's a game that brilliantly combines skill AND luck, and the most skillful out there will learn how to outplay people when possible and be aware of the psychological impact their suckout, bluff, or well-played hand will have on the table, and use it to their advantage. It's a fun game, but it's hard. And you should respect people who have the courage to put their money and their reputations on the line by sitting at the poker table, even if you don't respect the WAY they play. Be polite while playing poker, not out of fear, but out of respect for the game and the people who have the courage to play it.


